Transcript: Living Above The Systems Of This World Part 1
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The experience is a meeting organized by the Disciples Christian Network. Be a man encounter God, his presence and his power in an atmosphere of worship and the word. Join Apostle Emmanuel as he leads us into an experience with God. First, let me start from Hebrews 11. From verse one to verse three, the Bible says, now faith is the substance of things hoped for. It is the evidence of things not seen. It is true faith that the elders obtained a good testimony. By faith, we understand that the walls were framed by the word of God so that the things which are seen were not made of things which are visible. 29, by faith they passed through the Red Sea as by dry land, whereas the Egyptians attempting to do so were drowned. By faith, the walls of Jericho fell down after they were encircled for seven days.
Thirty two. What more shall I say? For the time would fail me to tell of Gideon and Barak and Samson and Jephthah, also of David and Samuel and the prophets, all through faith subdued kingdoms, walked righteousness, obtained promises, stops the mouth of lions, quenched violence of fire, escaped the hedge of the sword. Out of weakness were made strong, became valiant in battle, turned to fly the armies of the aliens. Women received their dead raised to life again. Others were tortured. 35, I'm reading. Others were tortured, not accepting deliverance that they might obtain a better resurrection. Verse 33 being my emphasis, it says, who through faith subdued kingdoms, walked righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouth of lions, who through faith subdued kingdoms. First John chapter five and verse four.
The Bible says, for whatsoever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that overcomes the world, even our faith. Today, I'm gonna be talking about something that I started discussing some time ago, and we'll go deeper into it. We'll go deeper into it today. When you read first John chapter five verse four, there are three things that arrest you immediately you read it. If you see these three things clearly, you would be able to reorganize the way you relate to life, the way you relate to your circumstances, the way you relate to your future, the way you relate to the systems that you are navigating with every single day. If you see these three things that are in the scripture very carefully. And the first is that the world can be overcome. Because the Bible says, for whatever is born of God overcomes the world. The Bible says, who through faith subdued systems.
So you see that those two scriptures shows us that systems can be subdued. The world can be overcome. Systems can be subdued. The world can be overcome. Come on, tell your neighbor systems can be subdued. The world can be overcome. That's the first thing I want us to see in this scripture. That the world is not an untouchable structure before which believers just bow helplessly. It's telling you that there is a victory available to the born of God man that is greater than the pressure, the patterns, and the systems that govern life on earth. It is possible for a man to overcome this world.
It is possible for a man to subdue this world. And this is especially important to me in this season because of the type of things that are happening around the world right now, especially in Nigeria. The state of the nation is concerning in many ways, and elections are drawing near again. And the truth is there are many wars happening around the land. And if believers are not taught God's system of dominating, God's system of triumphing, God's system of thriving, God's system of subduing, we will become victims of the system of this world. We will continue to complain and complain and complain. Now I'm not here to come and start telling you the woes of the government. I'm not here to come and start telling you the bad things the government are doing or things that they could have done better. That's not really my interest. My interest is, it doesn't matter what kind of system you are in.
It doesn't matter what kind of world you live in. It doesn't matter what kind of cosmos and the arrangement of cosmos that a believer finds himself inside. The Bible makes it clear that it is possible to overcome. It is possible to subdue. So you can either become victims of the system or understand that there is a dominion that God has reserved for the believer in cosmos, in the world. And I think I have to explain what I mean by world because when many believers hear the word world, what comes to their mind is the earth as a physical planet, the trees, the oceans, the mountains, nations around the world and all of that. But that is not the burden of the scripture in a passage like this. The word there is not just referring to geography. The word there is referring to a system. It's referring to an arrangement, an order.
It is the organized structure of life by which men do life. And most of the time, God is not at the center of that organization. It is the arranged system of things. And many a times, God is not at the center of it. It's the pattern by which men think. It's what the Bible calls cosmos. It's the pattern by which men think. It's the pattern by which men strive for survival. It's the pattern by which men rise, by which men compete for success, by which men desire relevance, by which men compromise, by which men survive, by which men define success apart from God. So when scripture says that it is possible to overcome the world, it's not saying that it is possible to conquer the sky or stop rain from or defeat the sea and all these things.
It is saying that there is a way of life, a system of operation, a pattern of existence that resists the life of God and that the born of God man has been designed to rise above that system of life, to rise above that way of thinking, to rise above that pattern of thinking, that pattern of doing things, that system of oppression, that arrangement of things. That means that the world is not only wicked people doing wicked things. The world is the atmosphere of falling civilization. It is the logic by which men live when they don't know God. It is the arrangement that rewards compromise and punishes conviction. It is the system that tells men if you will rise, then you must bend. If you will prosper, you must cut corners. If you will be relevant, you must conform. If you will survive, you must learn to operate by the wisdom of this age. That is cosmos.
That is the world. The expected arrangement of the the pattern by which men live and survive as defined by that system. And that system has many expressions. There is the economic expression of the world. There is the economic expression of cosmos, a set of principles that govern how well it moves, how opportunities are distributed, who rises, and who remains beneath. And in many of our context today, this system is so vicious. So vicious against the random man. So vicious against the average man. In many of our context today, if you submit to this system and live by this system, you will undoubtedly be poor. Are you with me?
Yes, sir. This economic system of cosmos tells you that your starting point determines your ceiling. That means that wherever you start, chances of you leaving that place and becoming better or doing something better with your life is very, very rare, very, very scarce. In fact, I got hold of a statistic recently and I was reading the statistics and it was showing us the state of employment in the nation and the distribution of wealth around the nation. And I saw a very shocking fact that only 3.5%. Now we need to first ask a question. What's the population of Nigeria? More than what? More than 220,000,000. More than that.
Now out of 220,000,000 people, just about 2.8 just about 2.8 to 3.5% and above 150,000 naira. Did you hear what I said? Do you understand what I just said? Does it make sense to you? If you are a deep thinker, you would... That will scare you. Just 2.8 to 3.5 majority of the people people in in this this country country are poor. That's the helpless truth. That's cosmos. To deny this is to live in limbo.
Are you with me, brothers and sisters? The Bible does not teach the believer how to survive. The Bible teaches the believer how to dominate that system. How to exclude yourself from that system. How to say this is not my life? Do you understand what I'm saying right now? Because that world, that cosmos has certain principles that if you must match onto wealth, you must live by. It tells you that without the right connections, without the right family name, without the right amount of capital, the right willingness of compromise, you can memorize. It tells you that integrity is a luxury that the poor cannot afford. That to have integrity in this system is to be falling behind.
That system rewards those who know how to navigate corruption. It punishes those who refuse to partake in corruption. That's the economic cosmos that we are in. It's a shocking and a painful reality, but it is there. Are you with me? Yes, sir. It is there. We live in a country where our highest highest denomination cannot buy you a proper meal. We live in a country where 1,000,000 naira. Cannot get you a proper house to rent.
As a family man, we started 1,000,000 naira. We live in a country where basic necessities of life are defined as luxury. And when a house is being auctioned for sale, it is called a luxurious apartment because the basic things a human being needs are in the house. You don't understand what I'm saying? Look at this luxurious apartment over here. It has a kitchen sink. And so a house should not have a kitchen sink. It has running water, stable electricity. It is luxurious because the masses don't enjoy it. What should be the provision of the government and the responsibility of the government to the people?
But the bible says, despite that, it is possible to rise above. At some sense, I live above the systems of this world. I live above the systems of this world. There is the political expression of the cosmos, the machinery of power and leadership in which divisions are made about who gets access and who does not. Who is protected, who is exposed, whose future is secured, whose future is sacrificed. And in Africa, particularly Nigeria, this system is not abstract. Everybody experiences it. You feel it in the way institutions function. You feel it in the way merit is bypassed for connection. You feel it in the way truth is suppressed when it becomes inconvenient for those that hold power.
That is the political cosmos. It's the reality of the cosmos where things happening in the nation are undermined, and we are more concerned about optics than solution. Where lives are being wasted in certain territories in this nation, or the government is more concerned about saving face in the global scope. So we are arguing about whether or not there is a Christian genocide or there is non Christian genocide instead of solving the problem. Instead of solving the problem. We're even in that system. It is What a lot of believers do is survive. Believers are surviving. We are barely, barely hanging by a thread. But that's not what the Bible says.
That's not what the reality of scripture says for the believer. There is also the educational expression of cosmos. That framework that determines who is qualified and who is not. What defines intelligence? What doesn't define intelligence? Whose future has value? Whose future does not? In fact, educational system tells you whose future is already written off with respect to the quality of education he has had. This system will tell a young person that without a certain certificate from a certain position in Nigeria, they've already been disqualified from a college of education. In fact, even heard somebody say something recently that he doesn't consider anybody who goes to a polytechnic as serious.
It just wonders, are you okay? Because the system makes you conditioned and defines your lot in life based on what you studied in school. And so if somebody goes for HND or does OND and all of these things, I don't know how they measure these things, then goes to go and seek a teaching job with somebody else who does BSC. That system does not care who knows more. That system does not care who is better at teaching. That system does not care who can do the job more, who can explain the subject more, who is more practical, who is more grounded. The system cares. What are you holding in paper? So I would pay this one 50,000 naira and pay this 100,000 solely based on what they are holding in paper. That is the system.
Are you getting what I'm saying? That their value is reducible to a grade. That their entire identity can be captured in the transcript. That's educational cosmos. And parents pass it down to their children by telling them that what you study in school determines your destiny in life. There are reputable courses. There are courses that are mainstream courses. And if per adventure, you write jam and then you are given a course in university that does not fall into these mainstream courses, your future is defined. In many occasions, they are correct. Are you with me?
Yes. And the reason why they are correct is because the warfare is not an individual warfare. It's a warfare against the system. And whoever believes in that conditioning, that's why it's not true. The moment a a guy gets a, you know, admission and he sees that what is given in school is not the mainstream courses. That guy already feels defeated in his mind. Because the warfare is not an individual warfare. It it has nothing to do with the doctor or the engineering. It has to with the conditioning that has already happened in his mind that defeats him before he even enters. So he cannot think of anything other than the course of study as though his entire destiny can be captured in a four year course.
For it is cosmos. It is cosmos. Many years ago, one of my siblings, who is outside of the country currently, is in The United States Of America, traveled many years ago. While he was in university, he was studying industrial chemistry. And every time he's given allowance, what he would do would be to save up the money and buy laptops, buy machines. Then it was, CPUs and videos. And he would be scattering them, learning how to repair stuff. While he was still in school, started a Saiba cafe. He would sell off his shoes, sell off his properties to buy more resources. He started learning Python programming, learning c sharp, learning c plus plus, learning Java.
Whilst he was still in school, Oracle certified. If you know what I'm talking about, that's serious. This was many years ago. Many, many, many, many years ago. For someone studying industrial chemistry, a graduated industrial chemistry, got a job in a bank, left the bank. While he was working in the bank, he was given the position of cashier, but he had skills that school did not teach him. The university did not teach him. His skills in IT surpasses what... In fact, he knew more in computer and programming than the bank staff working in IT. What I mean, his certificate says industrial chemistry.
So how do we put somebody who studied industrial chemistry in IT? The best we can give to you is a cashier. And he was trying to walk it and do it, and then he was embarrassed out of that place, was told all kind of things. If you know you have brain for high tea, why don't you go and do this? Why didn't your brain understand you? What kind of insult? Then he left the place. Still keep... He still kept on pushing himself. Still kept on pushing himself.
Learning more. Learning more. Find courses. Developing himself. And then became employed. Eventually, International organization with a branch in Nigeria that most of the banks in Nigeria rely on for their ATM services, and was employed there as a technical officer. When I was doing his interview, he told me, he said that the interviewer looked at him, all of them were thinking down there, this is a reputable company. Why should we give you this thing? He said, well, I'm vast in cyber security. I'm vast in several areas, missionary technical skills.
He said, that doesn't matter. For that person there is vast in it. Can you give me a moment? He said he said, okay. Can I have your laptop? And then he entered command prompt, did all kind of nonsense there. And told the engineer, he said, call your chief engineer. If they can open this system, then don't employ me. And they called the chief engineer, and he could not open the system. Could not unlock and bypass whatever it is he had done.
So what did you do? Explain in very simple terms what he had done. And how that compromises their security as a company. He didn't get the job he was looking for. He got five times the job. Now, if he had submitted himself to the conditioning of your study in industrial chemistry, and so your life is already defined, truly what would have happened is that he would have defined his life already by himself. Himself. Do you understand what I'm saying? Yes, sir. Then there's a sociocultural and the intimate expression of the cosmos.
That ideological air that this generation brings. The music and the kind of music that narrates how a normal life should look like. So that if you don't listen to kind of music, you are considered as weird. The social media ecosystem that teaches young people what to value, how to present themselves, what to desire, how to measure their own significance. And the pressure on social media is what has now introduced the subject of fake life to many people's life at the moment. Flaunt your body, how to trend. Sleep around, it is freedom. Scam people, it is also. Where people are loud about the fact that they are doing four one nine, they are making money. And you see somebody saying on social media that if your guy is not a four one nine, there's no way he can afford this kind of car.
And you look at it and say, it's true. How much is somebody earning? Maybe it's not so bad after all. Influencing the thoughts of young people. Where people measure their worth by how many people are following them. And per adventure, you go and check your followership and find that you have posted something and just about five people liked it, 10 people are following you, then you are sad and sorrowful all of a sudden. Why? Because value is attached to it. Because you feel as though your relevance expires if you are not trending. So the strive is to trend.
It is a sociocultural cosmos. And if a believer puts himself into any of these expressions, he becomes a victim of that expression. Are you with me? If you cannot discern the world as a system, you will think that your battle in life is against isolated event when in fact you are under pressure from an entire arrangement. When in fact the pressure is against cosmos itself. You will think that your struggle is with money, not knowing that there's an economic narrative trying to disciple your soul. You will think that you are merely under pressure in school. You think it's only about exams and tests for those who are students, not knowing that there's an educational system trying to define your what outside of God. You will think you are merely trying to fit in society, not knowing that there's a cultural order that is pressing you into conformity. That's why Romans says, don't be conformed to this world.
That means this world is an active mode. It it is trying to shape men. It's trying to press minds. It's trying to produce a certain kind of man. Don't be conformed to it. Get my message breaking the mood. There is a mode that this is trying to press you into. It's like a potter that is molding clay. Is that not so? Or water, when you pour it inside cup, water takes the shape of a cup.
Is that also? If the cup is rectangle, the water becomes rectangle. Or you have a a clay that you put inside a particular surface and you mold it. It is in the same way that this world can mold you. This world can press you. This world can contain you. It can press you into a particular shape. And if you allow yourself to be pressed by this world, you become a victim of this world. We did an experiment from time ago when we was doing agriculture, and they were teaching us auto sentences and all of these other things. And we had a kata.
Right? And we created a light source in the cotton by opening a particular area. And then we had another cotton that was fully opened, and we planted a seed inside the cotton, put sand there, put stuff there, planted it. And in one carton, the plant started growing in the direction of the light source. Is that not so? Whereas in the other carton, the plant was widening up. In the third carton, there was no light source at all. So the plant could only grow confined to the box. Confined to the box. It tells you to a large extent how society acts like that kind of economy.
And in the same way that that the believer begins to grow, if you submit yourself to the pressing of the carton, if the carton is boxed, your life will not come out of that box. Box. Everything that you are doing will be as the carton defines it. As the world has defined it. As economy has defined it. As government has defined it. As... Do you understand what I'm saying? As life has defined it. You will be pressed into a mode.
It's the word confirmation. You have been conformed. You have been pressed into the mode. That's what Roman says. Do not be conformed. Refuse that kind of conformity. Refuse it. There are people's minds that have been pressed into that mold in the entertainment world, in the media space. There's a way right now that the young lady cannot think of herself as a valuable person outside of like and comments. It's a mode.
It's a mode. There's a way right now if a young girl does not have a boyfriend, if she feels as though she's not valuable, she's not fine enough, she's not pretty enough because it looks weird when our friends are discussing and they say, ah, so who is your guy? He said, me, I'm I'm I'm keeping myself or keeping your... What is keeping yourself? And now, keeping my left in marriage. And everybody starts laughing and she starts feeling out of place because it's a mood. And if she allow that conformity, she'll start looking weird like the old one out. You get a job and the guys are going to relax and celebrate after somebody's caused a huge contract for the business. And as they are going, they go into a club or a bar house. And as you are going...
Sorry. Where is this? Is this a club? What are we doing here? To celebrate now your victory, guy. You got us the win. Okay. And then you are entering. Then you are seeing girls dancing in one corner. You are seeing ladies wearing all kind of handkerchief and tying all kind of shoelaces and then all kind of things around their body.
And you are seeing these things. And whilst you are wondering, you are saying, my god, is that a brown or a shoelace? Because it doesn't... It it it looks like... You can't tell which one it is. And whilst you are there, they say, sit down now. Guys, leave that one I said, come... Let's calm down. God, we are not gonna be mad. We didn't form my heart.
And you'll be feeling as though, is this strange that I'm a believer? Is this strange to be different? Because when the bible speaks of don't be conformed, it's not just a mentality, it's that the world will try to press you, will try to mold you into a particular type of believer or a particular type of person. Not just in that area, in other areas as well. It's why the bible calls it a system, cosmos. I hope I'm not too deep. I'm trying to be simple. Are you with me? Yes, sir. So when Jesus says, whoever is born of God overcomes the world, he's saying that the born of God man was not designed to be another victim of the system of this world.
He's that the born of God man is not designed to be swallowed by the patterns of this age. He's saying that the born of God man is not designed designed to to be be swallowed swallowed by by the the same same logic logic that governs falling men. It was born of God to overcome. So the Bible says it is possible to overcome the world. And to overcome means far more than to survive. That's where many believers still think too weakly because for many people, victory means I manage not to die. For many believers, that is what victory means to them. Omo, In the midst of the madness of this world, I'm still managing not to lose my mind. Thank God. No.
That's not it. Do you understand what I'm saying? I managed to pass through. I'm managing. I'm coping. But that is not the spirit of dominion that is revealed in scripture. To overcome is not mainly to escape destruction. To overcome is to subdue. To overcome is to rise above. To overcome is to master.
To gain mastery over this world. And you can play this world like chess. Some of us have overcome. I'm telling you. I'm telling you. I go into the marketplace and I've mastered it. I've mastered the people. I've mastered the systems. I've... You can't press me into a mold.
You try to make me uncomfortable in my righteousness. I make you uncomfortable in whatever it is you are. And we both laugh at the end of the day. Chances are associating with me will conform you. You can so master the world that the influence that oozes out of you confirms environment. That your environment is trying to press you against the wall, but that there is something else you have mastered. There's something else you have known. There's superior revelation that you have that makes you realize, listen, I'm not someone someone trying to survive. Hey. Hey.
Hey. I'm not someone where I now finished school. I'm now looking for one job somewhere. Pay me 100,000. I'm now saving to get married. And as I'm saving, I'm saying, Kai, I'm already 28 too, but I I can't marry yet because I don't have everything. My life is not in order. Let me just wait for some more time. And maybe if I do my masters. Now I've done my masters.
And because I've done my masters, they're now paying me 200,000 naira. And when they pay me 2,000 naira, I realize that my burdens have increased because now my parents are expecting me to send them money. My siblings are saying, ah, brother Michael, want to send us money? Want to send us money? My school fees, my deeds. When you were thinking that 200,000 naira was your salvation, these burdens were not there. Responsibilities have lifted. Nine is under 20,000 naira. Nine is about 500,000 naira. Oh, boy.
Hope on the way. Hope on the way. And your entire life become this cycle of pursuit, of survival. Try not to get crippled. Try not to fail. Try not to fall. Try Try not to give up. Try not to lose hope. Try not to oh, God. It's like that for believers in the academy as well, for those who are students.
You see a believer, you can know even by the way she's going about academics, she's she's only hanging on dread. She's about to fall. This whole schooling thing is breaking her. She's losing her mind in the process. The moment she wakes up again to go to class is as though her soul is drenched in sorrow. She dreads the exam, dreads the test, dreads everything. We just say, get a sheet of paper, PTSD strikes. Panic attack instantly. Her chest is buzzing. She's a sheet of paper.
Hands are vibrating because the... She has become a victim of the world. She'll become a victim of society. She's now becoming overwhelmed by that system. So what does she call victory? Victory is now after I go through all these things today. Homo, thank God I know that. God, if you know what my eyes saw, that's not victory. That's not what the Bible is sitting us. Is what I'm saying sounding weird?
Know what the Bible is showing us? If this looks like the kind of life that you want to live, then pay attention. Pay attention because you'll be blessed. Some people here that we have thought have cracked this code. They've cracked it. That's how at the young age, somebody can come and tell me, I'm giving my first 10,000,000. Or as the person is still a student in school. Something that those inside that same system who have been laboring for thirty years inside that system, cannot gather together as gratuity. All their pension is not up to that amount of money. Having worked sixty years in service.
Having worked fifty years in service. But there is something they believe I start that makes him master that system, that makes him crack a code. That says, no. I won't die like this. I won't enter into this rat race. I won't enter into this market and begin to labor with men. I won't join the strivings of the people. My own life can be different. Something can be unique about my own life. I can't perish like men.
I can't be sick like men. I can't die like men. I can't hang like men. Something tangible can be different about my life. There is something a man can know. A man can know. A man can know. There is something a man can have. Do you understand what I'm saying? I'm not trying to motivate you.
This is not motivation. This is reality. It's an experience that which our hands have handled. Our eyes have seen. Our ears have heard. Our hands have handed. What is the meaning of this nonsense? This is not my life. Do you know that? Do you know that?
The reason why you face resistances or a man will face resistances when you refute this conformity is because that begins to subdue the world as against the conformity that everybody has subjected themselves to, but he used to look like an anomaly. Because Stay with me. To tame life. To impose a higher order on a resisting environment. And when John was speaking, John does not put it in future tense. John does not put it at the distant possibility. John puts it in perfect tense. The victory that has overcome. Meaning, the overcoming is already accomplished. It is already complete.
It's a completed reality reaching in to your present. The conquest of the cosmos is not something you are waiting to achieve. It's a completed reality. It means if the believer does not understand seeing from the end of things, your problem is already starting. Because it says the victory that has overcome. It also said the victory that will overcome. It means it does not matter how much the word is pressing against the believer. The victory has overcome. We'll get there very soon. Stay with me.
You might understand what I've just said, but stay with me. That's why when you read Genesis one verse 28, God does not tell man to adapt to the earth. God does not tell man just find a way to survive. Whatever you see, they just make do. Try and make ends meet. He told man be fruitful. He told man multiply, replenish the earth, subdue it, have dominion over it. That means from the very beginning, man was designed by God to bring divine order into the space he created. Man was not designed to be a slave into the environment or to be a slave of the environment or to be a slave of society. Man was designed to be a carrier of heaven's government into the environment.
Man was meant to take what is of God and bring it upon what resists him on earth. So when we say the believer must overcome the world, we're not saying the believer should learn how to endure the wicked systems until heaven comes. We are saying the believer must rise in consciousness, in consciousness of his origin, and begin to bring divine influence into systems of this world. Don't complain about darkness. Carry light into darkness. That is what it means to overcome. That we stop complaining about darkness. We realize we were made for 40 time as this. That's what Esther said. Esther did not sit down somewhere and started complaining that, look, now, we're just on our own and Haman wants to kill us.
What did we do? What did we ever offend? What did we ever do? And Haman... No. No. No. The woman said I was born for 40 time as as this. This. If there is darkness, then there is me.
The Bible says he called forth light out of darkness. You know what that means? It means the reason you are here is because there's darkness. You didn't get that? You didn't get that? Darkness gives purpose to light. Light is needed because darkness exists. It is out of darkness that light breaks out. So if the world is in darkness and you came out of that world, it is because you are light. That's why a believer says himself.
Are you with me? You're a witness for that reason. You don't just say this is how things are in Nigeria. This is how things are in Africa. This is how things are in my family. This how things are in this industry. You know, in this industry that we are in, in this industry that we are in. No. You begin to ask what must I become in God so that the order of heaven can touch this territory through me? One of my young ladies who is in the media realm as an influencer would attend conferences and meet other influencers in those conferences.
And they will begin to advise her and give her counsel. And the advice is that, see the way you are showing your background. These things are not beautiful. I mean, you are not showing excellent things about yourself. You are just showing your life as it is. And brand will not want to work with you because of that your life as it is that you are showing. You have to add some spice to this thing, at least nice background, nice places, nice this. Some were even giving the idea of what they used to do. That's how fake life starts. How about you start?
I'm to show you how much of a mood it is. The girl came to me and said that she's not thinking there's anything wrong with her because now she's thinking maybe she's wrong, maybe she should change this, maybe she should change that because of what they are saying so that brands will find me. And this person who is speaking, brands are finding out and one of those giving that counsel. One of those giving that counsel has never ever worked with a brand before. But I studied the the system so much. He has submitted himself and his mind to the system believing that one day that system will bring him reward. And when he sees people who are not subject to the system, he begins to pity them And he's counseling them from his ignorance or perceived knowledge of the system and how the system works. Many people have tried to advise me like that. They think they can give me financial wisdom. And they come and tell me, Emmanuel, listen.
Listen. Listen. You have to learn saving. And I said, talk to me. Because you who is about to speak to me, Oh Jesus. Oh Jesus. You're not even a fifth level away from me, but you wanna counsel me because you've studied the system so much. For those of you who are young, that system tells you are too young to do anything successful, to do anything big, to do anything great. And, but, eventually, you try to start attempting to do something relevant with your life, you will start seeing the opposition that that system will begin to throw at you. The first one will be, we send you to school to read and to pass.
All this one you are telling us you are doing, we are now seeing you are preaching, we are now seeing you are evangelizing, you are going to church. Is that what we send you to go and do? You are starting a business. Why are you starting a business? Is that what you can do right now? Focus on this. Focus on that. Because you are trying to do something that is outside of the perceived order. And if somebody... If that guy does not break out of that thing, if he submits himself to conformity, not only will he lose opportunities, he will regrettably waste time as well.
Yes, sir. One of my young ladies, a door opened to her. Many people applied for that opportunity, and I felt so strong in my spirit that an announcement was there. So I told her, go for that, know. Go for it. And then she went to go and tell her parent that I'm going for this. The parent became angry with her and said, why would you go for this? No. No. No.
No. Focus on the school. Focus on this. Focus on that. And I so strongly in my spirit. An announcement is here for you. And she came to say, I I did not I did not let that go. I just believe many more will come. It's true. Many more will come, but life is in phases and life is in stages.
Might not even understand what I've just said now. You don't even understand it. It? The young lady that eventually won what I told her to apply for, I felt so strong. I was convinced that thing was for her. The young lady who won it was given a brand new car, millions of naira in deals, brand, all kinds of... I I was watching the thing. I was saying it's not... It doesn't belong to this girl. Doesn't?
But then it made more sense to be confirmed. Stay with me. Are you with me? Yes, sir. One must begin to ask a question. What must I become in God so that the order of heaven can touch the territory through me? Because the Bible does not say whoever the right education overcomes the world. The bible does not say whoever has the right political connection overcomes the world. The bible does not say whoever has the most diligent also even, the most talent, the most determination even overcomes the world. The bible says, whoever is born of God.
That's why Daniel is such a wonderful example because Babylon was not just a city. Babylon was a system, a politically intelligent religious cultural system. It was a world arranged in defiance against God. They changed his name. They changed his environment. They changed his diet. They attempted to reeducate his mind even. They attempted to absorb absorb him into the logic of the empire. Even though Daniel was in Babylon, Babylon never entered into Daniel. That is what it means to subdue the world.
That is overcoming the world. It did not it did not just survive in exile. It subdued that system with superior wisdom. It subdued that system with superior character, superior spirit, superior revelation. It rose above that system over those who were born in the system. Became master of the astrologers, yet did not bow to the system. Are you with me? Yes, father. A system designed to swallow him arose in it, and yet to remain undefiled. He became influential.
That is what it means to overcome the world. The same thing Joseph. Egypt was a system. And that guy who don't just enjoy Egypt, he subdued it. The same thing Esther in Persia, the Hebrew boys in Babylon. They were all dealing with systems, and they triumphed. They subdued because there was a higher order at work in them. So hear this very carefully. Your life is not supposed to be a helpless reaction to what the world has structured. You are not supposed to be defined finally by a broken economy, by a corrupt society, by a weak family history, by a hostile culture, by all kind of barriers, by demonic patterns, by the failures of those around you.
The born of God man is not meant to be a victim of systems. The born of God man is meant to be a subdue of systems. There are people that... The stories of people's failure is what they are using to mentor them. Every instruction they give to them is with respect to somebody's failure. When they are being instructed, they say you better do what you're saying you should do. That's how Omo Tamado was trying to do this and that and that and that, and did not listen. And what happened? He failed. And the guy's life is so battered with the stories of people's failure that those who are encouraging him with people's failure think that they are encouraging him.
And they don't know that they're just making him more conscious of the potentials for failure. They are making him more conscious of the fact that it is more possible to fail than it is to succeed. Because all the examples he was mentored with are failures. Even when they want to motivate him to thank God it is failure. Thank God, oh. Thank God. As we are coming from travel yesterday, we just saw a bus. The bus just collapsed. Everybody died, but we are alive. Thank God, oh.
We live in a system that our motivation comes from the failures of men, and we think it is motivation. We are deceived. So greatly deceived. So greatly deceived. Say I'm a subdueer of systems. That means when the world tells you that you don't come a from rich family, you cannot rise. What do you say? There's a God that lifts the poor from the dust and sets him amongst the princess. When the system tells you you either compromise or be irrelevant in this system, you say no. No.
No. No. No. There's a wisdom that comes from above that can distinguish a man without defiling that man. I'm a subdue of systems. When system tells you that your background has disqualified you, your family name has disqualified you, you. You say if any man being Christ is a new creation, all things have passed away. Behold, all things have become new. You say my future is locked in Christ. My future is not locked in my background.
My future is locked in Christ. It's not locked in my family name. My future is locked in Christ. Are you with me? Yes, sir. Ah, they say this sphere of influence you are entering, that the structure that preserves men or that deters men from making progress, you say no. No. No. There's a throne above every structure. There's a word from God that can reconfigure what man calls impossible.
This word can be overcome. This world can be tamed. This world can be mastered. This system can be subdued. This age is not too strong for the man that is born of God. The patterns around you are not too powerful for you. You don't have to become what environment predicts. You don't have to bow to whatever that person bows to. You don't have to call normal what God has called defeated, what God has called abnormal. There's a way of life in God by which the believer can rise above the arrangement of this world and impose a superior order upon this world.
Are you with me? Yes. The second thing you'll see from that scripture is the type of man that overcomes because it's not enough to say that the world can be overcome. One must now ask what kind of man overcomes the world. Who is the man that overcomes the world? Who is the man that subdues systems? Who is the man that rises above patterns? Who is the man that does not become a slave to the arrangement of this age? Our scripture does not leave us in doubt. First John five four, it says, wherever, whatever is born of God.
That means that the overcomer is not first defined by his background. It's not first defined by his intelligence. Otherwise, the Bible would have said, the smartest man overcomes the world. It's not defined by his background and family name. Otherwise, would have fentanyl deaf children overcome the world. That's their reference. And the social cultural cosmos also reinforces this idea in people's mind. They put names of people that are rich in the world inside their songs. And say like this person, like that person, like this person, want to become rich. One even said, if mention one name of name of one rich man, can just adopt me as his son, has my life not changed?
And these are songs that believers listen to, some very foolish believers anyways. Not everybody. Some of you have sense. And you're among the people that have sense. So prove it by deleting those nonsense from your phones. Because it's influencing your mind in which you cannot imagine. It's not just a song. Are you with me brothers and sisters? Jesus. It's never just a song.
If you cannot be entertained without dancing to a worldly song, you're going to give your life to Christ. If the only thing that entertains you is the world, if your entertainment comes from the world, the only thing that that makes you happy is when a worldly song is being played. You play nice Afro gospel songs cannot entertain you. It must just be one worldly song somewhere. Then your head starts shaking, and your body starts joining, and your legs starts moving. And before you know, your whole body is not going on its own. When we do, come out and give your life to Christ. Because a believer finds joy in the spirit. Yes. It means things that are spiritually influenced should give you joy as a believer.
As a believer. So when we are praising God in this place, that should be the happiest moment of your life. But guess what? I will see some people. Do you know when I see those people, I realize that those that are practicing sculpting in school don't know what they are doing. You need to go out and study some believers in the presence of God. You will know how to sculpt statues. They are your leg of an eye standing like this. It's got nothing on them. Those guys are as rigid as anything in the house of God during a praise time.
And everybody's dancing. Everybody's singing. Everybody's rejoicing, and the guy stands like this. I see them. I stand at the back over there, and watch them dancing. I will see some guys just doing like this. And when the keyboard does something, then you go to the next song, it stands again. You can... If that same guy starts hearing this kid, hey, legwork is... Starts moving.
You are You are not alright too. Hear what I'm saying. Hear what I'm saying. It's deliverance. Because if you cannot dance in the house of God, you are praising the most high God. You are not praising your father. The pastor said the pastor said, one of one of the proud young ladies in our church, every time that they are singing and worshiping God, just stand. And she happens to be very tall. So if she was only standing, there will be no problem. But she's standing out.
That's the problem. And everybody is dancing, but there she just stands out. And one day, the pastor was coming back from somewhere and she saw the the girl speaking to an older man and she was acting all arrogant and shouting and speaking and the pastor just walked by. Then called the girl and said, is that? This is my father. Said, ah. She says, no wonder. If your father missed nothing to you, how about God? How about the monarch of Zion? How about the king of kings?
It's a shame. Better change the attitude. Because it's a mood. It's a mood. One day, I will teach you the power of music. That day, you would understand the influence of songs and the energy that come with them. I think that's the reason why many people trigger lies these things. That aside... So the bible says, whoever is born of God overcomes the world. So your victory is first tied to your origin.
Your victory in this world is tied to your birth. Your victory in this world is tied to your nature. The believer does not overcome the world because he has a better philosophy, studied a better course in school. He overcomes the world because he has received another life. He has received another life. He's born from above. He didn't merely join a religion. He entered another order of existence. That's what makes the believer overcomes the world. It means when you are thinking about overcoming the world, in the context to which I've been explaining it, your first reference should not be the course I studied, should not be the certification that I'm getting, should not be the fact that I'm going to university.
This should not be the fact that I'm traveling abroad or I'm going to United States or I'm Japan to one place. That's not what makes a believer overcome the world. Your first reference, where your understanding comes from, is that because I am born again, I overcome the world. Let it strike you as a revelation. Because I am born again, it means the born again experience is more than many people have taken it to be. Many people think that the fact that I'm born again now means I I now go to a new church. I now read my bible. I now pray. I now live a better life. All those things have their place.
But the new birth is deeper than just a change of habits. The new birth is a change of order. The new birth is a change of source. Yes, sir. It's a change of spiritual genealogy. It's a change of origin. Something happened to you in your new birth that makes you no longer a product of your earthly history. So when you became born again, you're no longer born of Adio, you're no longer born of a makeup, you are now born of God. So when a man becomes born again, he is born of God. That means your source has changed.
Your origin has changed. That's the meaning you must place some value on the new birth experience. When you came out and received the altar call and the holy ghost came upon you, listen to me. What happened is more than just a a way of living a moral life. What happened is just more is more than just a way of keeping a good life. What happened is a change of source, a change of origin, a change of knowledge, a change of nature. It means my source has changed. I'm now born of God. My source has changed. My origin has changed.
I'm no longer... It means my origin is no longer only tied to my father and my physical father and the limitations of my father. When I became born again, I moved. I switched. Something else happened to me. I stepped into a new order. In that order, there is life. It means whatever follows that order follows me. The believer must understand this. Are you with me?
Sir. Yes, sir. First John chapter five one says whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ is born of God. So when the bible says, whatsoever is born of God overcomes, first John five one now shows us what that whatsoever is. It says whoever believes that Jesus is the Christ. And remember that that phrase is not shallow. It doesn't mean just agreeing with the Christian statement. It means receiving by revelation that Jesus is the Christ of God. The one sent from God, the anointed one, your priest, your king, your prophet. The one in whom God answers the problem of sin, the problem of death, the problem of Satan.
And the moment the man believes this very truly, the Bible says he's born of God. That means the life of God is now planted in him. Say it with me, the life of God is planted in me. That means he has crossed into a new line of existence. That means he's no longer just a man that is trying to survive a hard world. He's now a son that is born from another realm. Am born of God. I'm born of God. I'm born of God. I'm born of God.
So when you hear, I'm a Christian, that thing should mean something deep to you. You are saying I'm born of God. By my nature, I overcome. By my nature, I dominate. By my nature, I tame life. By my nature, life bows to me. I'm born of God. Do you understand what I'm saying? Yes, sir. That's the first revelation a man must have.
I'm born of God. I'm... Oh my God. What an exciting revelation. I'm born of God. That's why I can never feel. You know, you have some diseases in in people's bodies that they say is genetic. Is that not so? Yes, What does that mean? It means it's as a result of the bloodline.
It's as a result of the fact that you were born from this family. Then this thing that affects their blood, that affects their gene was passed down into you because you are born of Adio. You are born of Emeka. And in Emeka's family, there's an history of cancer and a history of so and so. There's an history of all kind of diseases. Is that not so? Diabetics, eye defects. I mean, I've seen families where there are eye defects. The father gives me glasses. Grandfather glasses.
Grandmother glasses. Mother glasses, daughter glasses, brother glasses. Hypertension. Is that not so? When a believer says, I am born again, and the bible says, when that man becomes born again, he is born of God. That means that your genealogy is now traced to God. That means I no longer identify with the ideal genealogy than the ideal bloodline. I now identify with my identity as born of God. And because I identify with that identity, I do not believe that this sickness can affect me. I have not believed it might be in my family line, but my my own family line has changed.
I have come out from amongst them. I've identified with another. Do you understand what I'm saying? It must be in you as a strong revelation. As a strong, powerful revelation. I'm born of God. I'm born of God. In this family, people out of wedlock, they get pregnant. They get pregnant out of wedlock, and you see the pattern's fully strong, but I'm born of God. I'm no longer just in this family.
I now identify with the superior family. I've come to Mount Zion, the city of the living God. My origin is no longer just from Ibadan. My origin is no longer just from Delta state. I'm no longer just from Abia state, just from Enugu state, just from Lagos state. I'm now from Zion. It means the possibilities of people in Enugu is not what follows my life. My life is governed by a superior reality. Believe what I'm teaching you. This is the revelation that powers me.
I know that life should bow to me because of this. Simple as ABC. Do you know that what makes you a lion? It's not because you were trained by a lion. It's not because you were raised a lion. It's because you are born by a lion. A lion is a lion by birth. Do you understand what I'm trying to say? It means by reason of his birth is a predator. An antelope is an antelope by birth.
By reason of his birth is a prey. The antelope exists to be... To feed the lion by birth. There is nothing he did. You understand what I'm saying? And to be a victim in this world. The Bible says in the book of Job, man born of a woman is of a few days and his life is full of trouble. Give me that scripture. One, two, three, go everybody. Look at your neighbor.
Can you confirm that your neighbor is born of a woman? Is it your mother that gave birth to you? Look at the reality here. Man who is born of a woman. Mankind, not just man as in a male figure. Mankind, of a few days and full of trouble. Did he do anything? No. Is it his cause? No.
Engineering, law, philosophy, agric Yoruba? Nothing like that. The only problem he has is his birth. He was just born a rat. So he has no choice than to join the rat race. You understand what I'm saying? I'm born of God. I'm of God. Because I'm born of God, my source has now changed. My origin has now changed.
My ancestry has now changed. My lineage has now changed. Have you not heard? Have you not heard? You meet someone. I told you that I'm seeing some problems following you. These problems are from your father's house. You say, have you not heard that my father's house has changed? So you see, the overcome the world status is He doesn't say, whoever is born of God might overcome the world. One day, if things go well for him, your victory you begin to experience life.
It begins in bed. Whatever is born of God overcomes. Presentance. Presentance to today. A believer must stop talking as though defeat is his realm. You might face battles. You might feel resistances. You might encounter pressure, but you must never make peace with defeat as goes the normal nature of the believer. Because what is born of God overcomes. That means if you are born of God, there is something in you that has been designed by heaven to rise above limitation.
There is something in you designed by heaven to rise above darkness, to rise above compromise, to rise above fear, to rise above the world system. There is something in you that is powerful. There is something in you that conquers. There is something in you that gains life. For he that is in you is greater than he that is in the world. There might be someone in the world, but there is someone in me. And the one in me is better. So the economic system of the world might be collapsing, but I overcome the world. This does not mean that the man that is born of God will not see your position because that's where many believers miss it. They think that if I'm born of God, then I should not see resistance.
No. The issue is not the absence of resistance. The issue is the superiority of your nature in the midst of resistance. A ship is not proven by the absence of water. It is proven by its ability to stay above what is meant to sink it. So the born of God man may see hostility, but it carries a life that is superior to hostility. It may see barriers, but it carries a nature that is superior to barriers. It may live in Nigeria. It may live in Africa. It may live in a corrupt age.
It may live in a broken generation. It may live in a weak economy. He may live under hostile structures. But his resources are no longer merely from the earth. He's now born of God. That must become a strong revelation to the believer. Because many believers still define themselves more by where they come from naturally and not by where they come from spiritually. They say I'm from a poor family. I'm from a weak tribe. I'm from a difficult nation, Nigeria is cursed.
And from a broken home, and from a line of failure, and from a place that nobody else rises. And scripture says, no. That is no longer a definition anymore. You are now from God. For who is born of God overcomes the world. My life is now different. Some time ago, was talking to a parent because a couple wanted to get married. And the parent of one of them was refusing the other party and saying, I I will not agree to this. And they said, why? He said, because it's from a broken home.
From a broken home. And he said, people that come from a a broken broken home home, home. Don't become anything great in life. He said I know because my family experienced the same. I know because it's a pain hard to endure because my parents told me this thing that I'm telling you now. I did not listen because I was in love and I went to go and marry who is now their father and see what I'm facing, see what I'm having to go through. And you think I would allow my daughter to make the same mistake. There are plenty things that in the life of someone that is from a broken home. His champion of success in life is very rare. It's very strange.
The problem is not only that it's from a broken home. The problem is now that the home is so broken that there are many mothers in the house, many children from separate mothers. You see, that's another comer because it's one thing to come from a broken home. But when you now have true, then some of us will never have any hope. Because as she was talking to me, this was like some years ago. She made a statement. She said, is good men like you that are praying for our daughters. Father, do you know that me whom you referenced is from your polygamous home? Do you know that if I were to count all my father's children, I will be number 10? And I'm number 10 out of 10.
So it means biometrics, I'm not... I have no hope. Because of the warfare around and all of that. They actually explained a lot though. Explained the reality of the traditional beliefs why those who come from polygamous homes never rise. And what she was saying was fact. It's just not true, sir. It's just not true, sir. Because an antelope does not have a choice. He was choice.
Was He was born as a man, but can be born of God. And the moment I am born of God, my realities with respect to my birthing has changed. The success of my marriage is no longer dependent on my family line. The success of my economy or my finances is no longer dependent on my father and how rich my father was. It's no longer dependent on the opportunities my parents opened for me. Whether they kept money in a bank for me or did not keep money in a bank for me. You know I see those delusions. One day my parents just come and tell me that since I was three years old, I've been saving money and now the money is now 100,000,000. Hey, one day. One day.
No matter whether that happens or not. I'm born of God. That's all that matters now. That's all that matters now. Can you say it loud and clear, I'm born of God. I'm born of God. Do you believe this? Am I boring you? No matter how broken the system is, the born of God man can still subdue. No matter how hard the system is, the born of God man can still subdue.
No matter how tainted, compromised, and corrupt the system is, carry this understanding, carry this revelation, the born of God man can still subdue. That's the first thing that powers me. I'm telling you. I don't expect defeat from life. I expect life to give me its best. And it's not because there are no resistances like I said. There are resistances Because when we talk like this, somebody just feels as though these people have life so easy. Life is not so easy. Are hard pressed on every side. We are persecuted, go through trials, go through frustrations, go through events and circumstances that should defeat a man.
But our mentality within this thing is that we cannot be broken. We don't go through these things as survivors. We go through it as victors. As victors. As victors. We don't go as poor people, as broke people, even when there's no money in the account. Oh, the mentality mentality is still that I am born of God. I overcome the world. Do you get this? I'm born of God.
So don't sigh one day and say, Kai, you say they breathe. Now they are alive, they complain. The fact that they complain himself is worth thinking God about because we are alive. That's not your mentality. Don't don't live like that. Yes, sir. It's proof you have already conformed. You have already molded. Therefore, horrible for that kind of a person. Don't live like that.
Don't live like that. I'm born of God. Systems bow to me. It's why when somebody is already a victim of systems in his mind and does not believe this thing I'm saying, when he hears teachings on prosperity in church, his mind will begin to fight it because he's averse to giving. He can't give. He can't conceptualize the idea of getting money in this hard economy and giving. Hey, don't you have things you are using money for? If you don't have me, I have oh, I finally talk. What's servitude in the mind? What's slavery in the mind?
When I see people like that, I truly feel pity for them. Because there's a realm of freedom and the liberties that is in Christ that we enjoy that they cannot enjoy. They are tied to money. Money has mastered them. Money has dominated them. So they cannot really be wealthy even if they have a job. Even if he has a business and his business giving some kind of income per month or he has a job and he's giving some kind of income per month, he can't really be wealthy. The presence of money and income in his life is not proof of wealth. Because income is only one out of the seven channels of wealth and is the first level, income. Income.
If all the seven channels are not present within the framework of a man's mind, it will be poor despite there is income. It will be poor. That's the reason why one of the channels of wealth is multiplication. The idea and the mentality that makes a man think of scaling whenever there is income. He doesn't become comfortable with the idea of income, but he starts to think of expansion. He starts to think of skilling because he has to multiply. The multiplication is strong in his spirit because he knows that is how true wealth is built. True wealth is not built solely by one source of income. It is built when that source is put into several sources that permits more income to you. So it is a wealthy wealthy man.
It's how a wealthy man thinks. But because he's not wealthy in his mind, he's coming from a proof of servitude. The moment you introduce him to income, he wants to... The first thing he wants to use money for is to revenge on poverty. Revenge on all the days he had experienced lack. All the days he did not have food to eat. All the days he was trekking up and down. So give him 20,000,000 naira income. He says, I've been tracking for twenty seven years. He goes to buy a car for 19,500,000.
Remains how he will fuel it. Remains how he will take care of it. Remains how he will maintain it. He has no idea how a wealthy man thinks. Do you understand what I'm saying here? He's not thinking. It is just... There's money. There's money. There's money.
Spend. Spend. Spend. Spend. Spend. Spend. Buy Buy this. Buy this. Buy this. So he can't think to give.
He can't think to release. He can't think to to... No. He can't think all of that. He's a slave to life. It takes a level of victory over life, overcoming life to refuse to be subject to life, to give. Because it means you're saying, I'm not governed by this. I'm not subject to this. When this thing shifts in your mind, there's nothing that isn't possible. Absolutely nothing is impossible.
One of my guys was shouting in a particular meeting I was in, and he said, what do need right now? And everybody was measuring different things. And then I said, I need money. And I called him. I said, guy, tell me how far? He said you need money. Don't you have money? What's going on? He said, ah, they just gave us our grant. They just gave us some money.
Investors just paid me. Another person just gave money. And it's just 12,500,000 naira. It's too small. Still giving powerfully. That's why they sharpening and needs money. In fact, the day before he told me in this money, he still gave his 7 figures. A day after, was hard and I need money. Another guy is earning 50 ks, I'm Let me end here. There's a third thing.
This is really where my teaching begins. We cannot start it today. So rise up on your feet. Maybe I'll continue in believers' equipment. Because the third thing the third thing the third thing is where the matter becomes very serious. Because it is one thing to see that the man that is born of God overcomes the world. It's another thing to explain how that victory that we are saying is already is now enters enters into his experience. Because if the new birth already carries the life of victory, then the next question is, why do many believers who are truly born of God still live in the visible experience of a man that is not born of God? Why do many believers claim to carry the life of God and they still bow to systems that they were designed to subdue? Why do many believers claim to be overcomers yet still live like they are victims of life?
That is the third thing that John hands us. He says, this is the victory that overcomes the world, even our faith. It means the subject of faith that overcomes must now be studied. Because what overcomes the world isn't just the fact that you are born of God. Even though the Bible says the first grounds of your overcoming stems from the fact that you are born of God. However, in experience, what brings virality into materiality is the victory that overcomes. It says this is that victory that overcomes the world, our faith. So if the believer does not understand the subject of faith, we've not even begun talking about overcoming the world, overcoming the systems of this world, subduing the systems of this world. Because that's the reason why it speaks in present tense. That's the reason why it does not say whoever is born of God will overcome.
That's the reason why he says overcomes because he's telling you that it is a fake thing that the man must believe, but you cannot understand it or we discuss it very well. Maybe we do that on Tuesday because it is line upon line, precept upon precept. Have you been blessed? Yes. Thank God for what you've received. When you see a picture of young people doing great things, that's an idea of how the world is overcome. You are seeing that it is possible to truly tame life, to truly tame life. Truly tame life. Thank God for what you have received. Thank God because this is the food of Thyans.
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